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Sunday, February 17, 2008

If Not Now, When?

Questions:
  • How old does a child have to be before he or she is "old enough" to go out in public?
  • How do you feel about babies and children who cry or throw tantrums in public?
  • How do you feel about their parents?

Rich and Eddie and I went out to dinner Friday night. It was the first night out for us since Eddie was born 5 weeks ago. We had a lovely dinner at Applebee's and Eddie slept through most of it, then got fussy toward the end of the meal. (NOTE: Eddie is not a particularly fussy baby, he just cries when he's hungry or uncomfortable or just wants to be held.) I figured his diaper was messy (I was right) and took him to the restroom. This took about 20-30 minutes, due to his fondness for pooping again during the changing process and for peeing all over his clothes. When I brought him back to the table in his fresh diaper and clean new outfit, I discovered that Rich had paid the bill despite my insistence that dinner was my treat. It turns out Rich was very upset about Eddie having cried in public and just wanted to get out of there ASAP. But I didn't know that yet...

Then we went to Target because we were almost out of diaper rash cream and I wanted to get a few other things. We were already in a hostile mood because 1.) I had screwed up backing out of our parking spot at Applebee's, and when Rich called me on it I got upset and insisted that he take over the driving, and 2.) I noticed that Rich had not buckled Eddie into his car seat properly, which left his upper body vulnerable in the event of an accident. When we got out of the car Eddie started crying again, partly because Mommy and Daddy were arguing and also because it had gotten colder and it took me a few minutes to get his car seat attached to our wonderful new SnugRider stroller frame. Rich managed to calm him down, only for him to start up again once we got inside the store. So Rich took Eddie out of his car seat/stroller to comfort him, which would have been fine if it hadn't left me to push a shopping cart AND a stroller! And of course Rich wouldn't give Eddie back to me to put in our new Moby Wrap, which might have calmed Eddie down. So we argued about it for the next 10 minutes (I cut my shopping time way short!) and Rich didn't say a word to me the whole ride home. That's not like us. We rarely argue and never give each other the silent treatment! So this made for quite an unpleasant end to what should have been a fun, romantic evening.

When we got home I asked him why he was so mad. It turns out that he was very upset about Eddie having cried in public! He feels that it's inexcusably rude to subject other shoppers and diners to one's child's fussy behavior. I agree that it's annoying when you're trying to shop or enjoy a nice dinner and the kid at the next table starts crying. But Eddie wasn't crying loudly, mostly because we attended to him before he got too upset. He was harder to calm down at Target, probably because of the bright lights or his parents' arguing or both. And in both situations we obviously did our best to calm Eddie down and address what was bothering him. That, IMHO, makes us very different from parents who ignore their children's public crying episodes or temper tantrums or misbehavior.

Those brief episodes at Applebee's and Target convinced Rich that Eddie was too young to be out in public with us. Rich suggested we not take him to a restaurant or store again until he's old enough to tell us what's bothering him when he gets upset. I countered that he won't be able to do so effectively until he hits the Terrible Two's, when he'll be ripe for public temper tantrums. And tantrums will continue in one way or another throughout childhood and adolescence. We cannot keep our kid inside until he's 18, tempting though it may be. Sure, I'd love to make it so that other members of the general public never hear my child cry or yell. But it's going to happen from time to time. It's simply our choice to either handle it like responsible people or bury our heads in the sand. I'm opting for the former and so is Rich.

Anyway, what do you think? Is 5 weeks too young for a trip to Target and a casual dining meal at 5pm? If so, how old should he be before we take him out again? How old were your kids when you took them out in public for the first time, and how did they behave?

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5 Comments:

  • At 4:15 AM, Blogger My Name Is Not Susan said…

    Hi Chloe! I hope you remember me...Jenna Fogle, daughter of the ever fantastic John Fogle...anyways, I'm an Aunt and my sister took Pippa out in public after about 6 months. I know that seems like forever, but it's not. It flies by. I think 5 weeks is rather young...mostly just because they like to poop, pee, and spit up everywhere! Now Pippa is 16 months and an absolute joy out in public. It'll be fine...and as you already know, it's harder for the parents sometimes (Rich) to adjust....and you are right: Kids will always fuss and cry in public and you can't change that. Just go with your gut instinct:) Congrats on all your recent happiness:) - Jenna

     
  • At 10:37 PM, Blogger Chloe said…

    Hey Jenna! Of course I remember you and your entire fantastic family. I'm glad to hear that you have a little niece, little ones are so much fun - especially when you can go home! I don't know Lauren's situation but we have nobody to babysit around here except our next-door neighbor who was working the night Rich & I went out to dinner. So if I want to leave the house Eddie almost always has to come along. If we were still in Massachusetts we'd have our pick of grandparents and aunts & uncles vying for the privilege of watching young Edward. One more reason I want to move back...

    Flying with him was an adventure too, I'm blogging about that next!

     
  • At 9:59 PM, Blogger soothedbyrainfall said…

    We took Sylvie out with us from the get go pretty much. I think if a kid is used to being in public they will most likely behave better in the long run. If you've done your best to calm a fussy Eddie to no avail, then leave the restaurant/store and take him home. But house arrest until he's old enough to explain what's bothering him? Unrealistic.

     
  • At 9:45 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    As a person who does not have kids and is often annoyed by other's kids here's my deal: Kids fuss in public. Fussing however, is different than crying. I don't mind when a baby fusses in public. It doesn't bother me and I get the chance to watch a family deal with itself out in public (I like people watching). What annoys me is when the baby starts wailing or the toddler starts running around the restaurant and the family continues it's meal or launches idle threats. If you nip the fussing in the bud before the wailing starts then I consider you 'good' parents and I have a great evening out - might even comment on how cute that baby was. In my non-parental opinion, you should bring babies out in public as much as possible, especially restaurants. That will make for a nice evening later when said baby is a toddler. My parents would feed me first and then go out to dinner and it worked out well....most of the time!

     
  • At 8:18 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I'd have to agree with Kerri. Babies make noise (but cute noise!) When your kid is throwing a full-blown tantrum you just calmly take them outside. No big deal.

     

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